Greed?
Collapse of world trade centers?
Outsourcing of jobs?
Buying mainly foreign?
Gas prices?
Poor business practices in variable rate home loans without forgiveness?
Conspiracies?
Love of may grown cold?
Personal debt such as credit cards?
& would you agree there are plenty of things to go around… people willing to work & provide services if jobs existed… people willing to attain education if available… schools with openings for students if finances available… plenty of houses… plenty of food… plenty of manufactured goods… plenty of everything except money, cash, denaro, dollars, coinage, liquid funds… but everything else, plenty of? Plenty of resources, Plenty of water, minerals, land to farm, air to breath… etc.?
What do you say? Is it merely a dollar shortage, or how is the whole thing as you see it, in layman’s terms? & can it be corrected by proper reorganization in a way which can benefit the greater good of the people?
Can thinking outside of the box & coming up with new & creative solutions benefit the greater good of the people in any way at all? If possible, what or who will be the greatest opposed?
The reason I ask, is because good communication creates good solutions… please discuss.
Thank you.

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Contrary to popular sentiment, we have not been in a recession until now. Since 2007, what people thought was a recession, has actually been a long, slow, government subsidized protracted crash. Instead of letting the markets crash themselves a year ago and begin to level off, government meddling has exhausted resources propping up the collapse. The results were recession-like attributes; loss of jobs, less money, contracting GDP. Up until now however, the GDP has still been slightly positive, and unemployment has been under 7%.

That is at an end. The recession is here now with a vengeance. However, due to all of the government intervention, the problem is actually now much worse. If we had the crash a year ago, as the markets wanted, those suddenly out of work would have had more money and resources to pull through a recession and even reinvest when the market bottomed. Since the government has been dragging out the crash, we’ve been investing resources over a year into a decline. Now that the recession has actually begun, due to the long strain on all of us, we don’t have the resources, energy, or trust in the system to begin coming out of it for some long time. Some economists are estimating 10-30 years using our own history as a guideline. Also, since we’re going into a recession already constrained, that greatly opens the possibility of a depression.

Look at history, look at economics. Recessions and depressions come AFTER the crash. This has been nothing more than a protracted crash complete with Friday’s "dead cat bounce" (Google it), and the worst is yet to come. If this were a recession it would be good news, because we’d at least know we were on a slow road to the very bottom where the only way to go was back up. But we’ve only just seen the collapse of the mortgage bubble. Next is the collapse of the credit card bubble which will probably take down most consumer goods with it.

Most consumer outlets that offer their own credit cards (which are most consumer outlets these days) will collapse when the loans are defaulted due to the strain on each of us from a government subsidized crash and a new recession. Look at GM. They fell so badly last week not because of their manufacturing arm, but because of GMAC, their financing institution. Sears makes more of their money from their finance department than from selling merchandise, same for Macy’s, Home Depot, many large supermarkets, and just about everything else. The credit card bubble will be much worse, because when people are unemployed, foreclosed, and evicted, they will need emergency funds. Most people use their maxed out credit cards for living expenses as well as their emergency fund.

Stores providing credit may be shuttered. Banks only slightly touched by the mortgage crisis will suddenly collapse under the credit card crisis. The effects will be compounded by the fact that we’ll be kicked when we’re down. After that we may even see the collapse of the student loan bubble, the collapse of lending in general, and the collapse of the dollar bubble, which would bring us back to 1970’s economic levels (if we’re lucky, the 30’s if we’re unlucky), before Nixon decoupled our dollar from the gold standard, the Dow was at less than a thousand, and before easy credit was aggressively marketed.

I say the 1970’s because if you look at the DOW chart over time, the majority of growth before the 1980’s was on a moderate incline. As the nation switched from a creditor nation to a debtor nation throughout the 1980’s, coupled with aggressive marketing of consumer debt by banks now freed from interest rate regulations usury laws after 1978, the Dow begins growing at a much steeper rate. When the HELOC, subprime mortgage, and derivatives market opened in the 90’s and gained steam in this decade, the line gets even steeper until it just couldn’t hold anymore last year and began a long bear market run that wiped out billions until the Panic this October.

By the end of Friday’s session, we were back at 1998 levels. Do you think it can go as far down as I’ve suggested here? What can a nation 10 trillion dollars in debt do to stem the collapse? When they say they will inject capital into the banks, aren’t they just printing money in an attempt to inflate the debt away? How long can this broken system of leveraging a future and living beyond your means possibly hold up?

For another of my questions on this topic, please link here:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArwYK6mBrtGb2KVMvXUElyXsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20081011092417AA3hraD

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Okay we have a mobile home. We owe ,000 on it after nine years. No missed payments. We have a 2004 Kia spectra. We owe ,000 on it. We have a 2004 Trailblazer and we owe ,000 on it. We have no credit cards and no one will refinance ANY of what we have.

I want to move but obviously our house won’t sell for what we owe. We can’t get rid of the Kia because again its worth less than what we owe.

My husband works full time and has a great job. But overtime has been cut. So we really have no extra money. I homeschool our oldest and we have a one year old as well. I have no experience and no way to get any unless I pay for childcare. Which would defeat the purpose of having a job.

Is bankruptcy our only option? Please only serious answers. We are at a total loss. We are in our early 30’s and just want to actually start living and have a home. Not live in a trailer park raising our kids.
Wow thank you so much Ray and Percy! Well let me add more details. My husband makes about ,000-,000 a year. Depends on the year. He has had his overtime cut but still works like a dog. So he won’t be able to get another job.

As for things for me to do. I do buy and sell items on Craigslist as often as possible. Always making a profit. But having the spare cash for me to buy something that I’m not sure when I can sell doesn’t work so well.

We have two cars because he works and I stay home with the kids. I have the large car so we can all fit and go places together. We can’t get rid of it because we don’t fit in a ‘car’ and he wants something decent so it won’t break down on me. He is driving the Kia because it is better on gas mileage and we can’t get rid of it because no one will buy it. No one will buy either one since we owe more than they are worth.

I appreciate the advice and support because we have no one to ask that would help any. Thank you so much
As for cutting our expenses. We have no extra items to really speak of. I have a cell phone but we have no land line. I pay a flat rate and it is cheaper than a land line would be. We use cloth diapers so there is no expense there. I pay 0-0 a week on food for all four of us. The baby eats like an adult so there is no baby food to buy. All the clothes we get are from Goodwill or Craigslist. I never buy things that I can’t resell for more. Even our laundry soap is less than .03 a load. I use soap nuts. Super cheap and work well. So we are NOT living a ‘grand’ life so to speak. Its not like I am out spending money hand over fist. I am doing the very best I can to keep our expenses as low as possible.

The bills are:
Car- 0
Truck- 0
House-0
Lot-5
Insurance-5
Electric- 0 (and yes I turn everything off and air is set to 80 degress)
Phone
Cable and internet
Storage (no choice)
Then you have food and gas and other items. Does that help any?
Thank you for your kind words! I may take on children to babysit, the only problem is that I home school my oldest. (That also cuts bills for clothes and other items). So trying to home school and take care of my baby and additional children might be tough. But something I will consider. Thank you so much everyone for the kind words and help. I am truly reconsidering filing now. I felt like all hope was lost and now I feel that maybe bankruptcy isn’t our best option. Thanks!

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I have a credit score of 567 because of late payments and charge-off’s from 3 credit cards. I’m looking for between 00.00-00.00. It cannot be a home loan because my home is a mobile home and I do not want to refinance it because I’m going to be listing it for sale very soon. Any suggestions on where I could get a "bad credit" personal loan? I live in West Chester, Pa if that helps any.

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Looking for a lender (or subprime lender) to approve a loan for a manufactured home (double wide) for a 500-550 fico score in Ohio w/ a chapter 7 filing in year 2000. They pay their rent, credit cards, etc. on time every month but have some slow pays on a car loan and some medical debts. They are tired of renting and want a mortgage that they can call their own. Even a rent to own or land contract would work. Any ideas of companies that would do this in Ohio? Thanks for any info or company info offered.

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I have legal fees and credit cards i can no longer pay. I have a loan on my vehicle and my home (manufactured) is finance. Can I keep the vehicle and my home out of the bankruptcy?

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We will be able to put down between 6 to 10 thousand on either property or a house. Our credit scores are both in the low 500's, I have a repossession judgement and some few old small bills but no credit cards. I have nothing that shows good payments.
If we buy property at 30 percent down could we get financed for the remaining 70 percent and how likely would we be able to get financing for the improvements and a modular home or a double wide trailer using the land for the collateral?

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